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i just read a post about a member having an upset in the chat room,I don’t know anything about it… my gripe is that when i went back to read it again it was deleted.Now I think if a person post things ,we should be able to discuss it without it being deleted,after all its a free society not a dictatorship.He complained about certain people taking control in the chat room and in his opinion he wasn’t listened to by Rob.I think he could have something there, in that the room could be controlled by certain people….maybe the post could be put back so it could be discussed at length.There has been over time so many people leave the site,maybe just maybe it could be that they feel the same way in the room,not discussing the issue last night ,as I say i think we should be able to discuss post and not have them deleted.
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I totally agree with you Kathy , I’ve happened to have read the post as well and by the time I posted a reply the post and the member’s profile had disappeared . I’m really saddened to hear so many are leaving the site ! good members who contributed to the site in so many wonderful ways just disappear from one moment to the next !
Yes , I think we need to discuss this … We are ALL members to this site !
Thanks Norma I am concerned about they way good members don’t come on here anymore also,may help to discuss it hey?
Agreed nmod and mac.. I responded to him trying to encourage him to stay, and a few minutes later the post and comments were all gone. Maybe if he’d gotten more support he wouldn’t have left. It’s a shame and I hope something is done about it.
Thanks millie it was in the blink of an eye that it happened as if it wasn’t wanted to be heard.He seemed to have some legitmate concerns,and if we want the site to continue ,I think we need to air them, not delete them as fast as possible, so no one sees them.
Thanks mac for bringing this up. I was not here Tuesday UK time, so I didnt read this post. But the other day I was typing in response to a post in the blog section, and while I was typing, the page suddenly disappeared. Very frustrating, and I agree with mac, that we are adults and as paying members, have the right to our own thoughts and opinions. I disagree that there is power that dictates what we can an cannot read and respond to.
Thanks.
Yes Polly agree with you, surly we are old enough to read posts that are disturbing in many ways ,
So sad to see this member go mac xxx
Sad skip in the way he went I think ,seems to be happening more often and needs to be discussed.
With all respect mac,……………i putmy trust totaly in admin and Rob,i have no gripe when a post is deleted, this is his site!!(home),…………….i know i havent in the past,…….but i see differently now!!..admin and monitors do a grand job!!!! thank you,….”my opinion”!!
And thats was respect is all about flower, accepting peoples opinions 🙂
now i am confused polly,…..i have just voiced my opinion????
what are you saying please?
I think i know what you mean polly,thank you,….sorry i am a bit slow sometimes,the light is on ,…..but no one at home,haha,xxx
just one more word iff i may,personaly i don’t feel the need to discuss anything like this for all to see,…do it in private!!!!,
once again my “opinion”!!
Yes everyone is entitled to have their say flower,whether we agree or not.cant do it in private the post was deleted and it was a public post .
I know it was a public post!!….and i voiced my opinion,….adim took it off,because his post did not comply!!!
admin
Enjoy your day mac.xx
Well I think if it is a discussion,I have no worries about all seeing it,and as we all pay for the site ,we have a right to see what has been posted for everyone to see.I know the monitors do a good job and I know it’s Robs site but no use having a site if people don’t want to come here to speak what they feel,for ecause it will just be deleted
Well I think if it is a discussion,I have no worries about all seeing it,and as we all pay for the site ,we have a right to see what has been posted for everyone to see.I know the monitors do a good job and I know it’s Robs site but no use having a site if people don’t want to come here to speak what they feel, because it will just be deleted .that I am afraid is the thought of many people on the site look around to see what it used to be like on here and see what it is now ,sorry Rob but I think you need to see this and maybe look into why people are leaving. My opinion
I would have also been interested in reading the blog.
Well ,I for once would like to know why the post was deleted so quickly …it lasted less than 10 minutes on the activity page …I’ve read it 8 minutes after it was written and by the time I’ve posted my comment it was gone !
It’s not my intention to upset anybody …but we are all paid members here ,including monitors and administrators …that Rob entrusted them with a job to do doesn’t make them faultless.
We are all human … I think these concerns need to be addressed and the people interested need to be notified of the outcome …even if by private messaging …ignoring it won’t make it go away.
Thank you for your comments relating to this. It is true that this member was removed from the chat room for being abusive towards another member. He wasn’t deleted from the site. He did email me only recently, and will get a reply once I have gathered all the facts. This takes time as I will have to review all the transcripts in the Chat Room.
I’m sorry, but if people are intent on bad mouthing others and posting derogatory comments on the site, then those posts will be removed. Read the terms and conditions of the site if you are in any doubt.
Rob that post mentioned no names ,he made a statement that he felt he was treated wrongly in the room appolijised for his behavior,but that he felt some road roughshod over people in the chat room so if we feel we are being treated wrongly and have emailed you ,your saying we can’t then bring the matter here for comment,seems a bit like a dictator then to me ,thought at least we had the right of reply????
Mac I have just spent the last couple of hours going over the transcripts. I wasn’t there at the time this all happened. The admin involved was right to Ban him from the room. I will be emailing this member back later today regarding this incident.
I’m not saying that at all, Mac. You are free to post whatever you like, but if that doesn’t comply with out terms and condition it will be removed. Just like any other website on the Internet.
mac give it up, you won,t win, we members have no rights at all, read the rules, we can,t even politely ask admin staff for reasons for anything.
It is a dictatorship and if i get banned for my beliefs well thats life
cef i asked rob a question and yes the answer took a little while, busy man, he did explain and I accept his explanation.
I would also like to add,that since debz and kate took over as admin,the site is a better place!!!,i know if i have a problen,they will be on it straight away!!…my opinion,thank you,enjoy your day.
omg flower how can you say that faye was wonderful fare and very helpful.
faye was a great adim!!!! i never said she wasnt,get your facts right mac!!!.what are you trying to say please?
i can say whati like as long as i comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and faye answered me iff i had a problem very promptly!!!
and i miss her very very much!!!!!
macathy i am inclined to agree with cefnrider here and on a lot of cases. we are all bound to have different opinions on most things, but occasionally it seems, if they differ from what the writer believes, it is removed. and the above is another reason i stopped visiting the chat rooms.
Sorry jcb but I like the chat room and the site,think it shouldnt be deleted .
Thank you for the comment flower, however this site is owned by Rob.
Rob has the final say.
Admin and the Monitors all work hard behind the scenes to make this site a safe site, under the instructions of Rob.
If anyone has grounds to feel uncomfortable or you witness someone who is made to feel uncomfortable, be it in chat or in a blog could you please copy and paste the conversation or comment and email Rob.
Any email sent reference above will be dealt with in the strictest of confidence.
I think you will all agree our aim in SC is to make this site a safe site, as Rob mentioned in the post above;
You are free to post whatever you like, but if that doesn’t comply with out terms and condition it will be removed. Just like any other website on the Internet.
First of all, I take issue with the reference to this site as a dictatorship. It certainly is not a dictatorship. Yes we live in a free society, but that doesn’t mean we can say and do anything we want to do without consequence. Members are free to express their opinions as long as they comply with the terms and conditions of the site. But when making a post in a public forum with the goal of damaging or undermining the site, it will be removed.
The post in question was not removed because of the opinion of the writer, but because it was inflammatory and was intended to damage the site as an entity. Different opinions are posted here every day, and the ensuing debates as well. But as in any organized body of members, there must be rules in place both for the protection of the members, and the continued success of the group itself. When a member makes a post and it is deemed by the administration to be in violation of the guidelines/terms and conditions of the site, IT WILL BE REMOVED.
Members have the right to debate the concerns of the writer, and it is clear by this post th
at the opinion of the writer is clearly understood, even though the blog itself was removed. But the inflammatory content of the post is not something up for discussion.
I don’t understand why people are so intent on finding negativity in everything that occurs here in Senior Chatters. The monitors and adminstrators of this site are not in place to “control, censor, or dictate to” the general membership. We are here to protect the membership and make sure the site is kept safe, clean and free from those who would prey upon members whom they consider “easy prey” because of our ages. Monitors and admins work for the betterment of the site. We are volunteers who do what we do because we want to make this site better for all members.
A little courtesy on the part of members will go a long way towards improving Senior Chatters.
“Well said merryjay”!!!!!!!!!!!
And as a matter of information, the member involved was not removed from the site, only from the chat room.
OMG, here we go again? Are we in adult kindergarten? I completely agree with Nmod and Macathy. Why was it removed? Cant we openly discuss it? Cant someone be allowed the discretion to discuss it in the open if they prefer versus private? Cant our site accomodate both persons? Isnt this all about people making and forging relationships around the world? Cant we understand that everybody is not the same? How boring would that be? How can we celebrate the differences in each other, if someone cannot choose to discuss something in public? I didnt get to read the post, I wish I could. Was it inappropriate? By inappropriate I mean – language, etc. Not that he/she didnt agree with something? Are we losing newbies this way? Are we losing long time chatters? We are adults. We are all not going to agree. Everybody at times may choose to leave the chat room or not read a blog, BUT in my humble opinion, you should do so out of respect for others who may want to discuss or write about something that you dont care for. Doesnt mean its wrong or bad; perhaps its just different. Why cant we CELEBRATE these differences? WHY??? I love the differences in the people around the world, I embrace them. Good grief Charlie Brown!!! I love the friends I have made – and we always dont agree, but we GRIVE each other a high level of respect because we like and love them, realizing we wont always see everything the same. This saddens me, deeply saddens me, a site driven by people meeting and chatting and writing from around the world…a people are being stiffled…
No one is being “stiffled” as long as they speak their mind in a way consistant with the rules of the site, and not rant and rave.
“EXACTLY”!!!!!!!..in other words true,and again i say my opinion!!
i am all for admin and monitors as long as they stay impartial merryj but we have all been in the room when members have been crude and used foul language but the admin in the room said absolutely nothing because they were mates.
Perhaps you can explain why such a vast membership and so few ppl use the chat rooms anymore unless they find it a place that is not welcoming
I agree Cef, have witnessed this myself. Although, I willingly and openly, (hope this is not too open) admit that I feel some of the monitoring should be self monitoring – I have chose to leave the chat room if I was uncomfortable or told a chatter accordingly or spoke on behalf of another chatter to no avail. I didnt feel the need to continue it past that. Its okay to leave and go back another time. We are adults, some of these things are going to happen. That being said, I do think it very important for monitors to stay impartial and apply “cautions” and “rules” to chatters accordingly. I wouldnt want to be a monitor. Its not a easy job. Lastly, I do think that especially newbies may not have been made welcome, without any intent by chatters who were chatting before someone comes in the room, especially chatters who are long time friends. Inadvertently, sometimes long time conversations have been going on. We could all make an effort to include chatters as they come in the room, including myself.
Maybe that is the point cef, and Rob has now decided to get involved to bring the chatters site back to some normality instead of all the issues that have been going on in chat…
The issue of this blog is not the removal of a person from the chat room. It is about a blog written that contained inflammatory language. What went on in the chat room is the subject of another blog if someone wishes to discuss it but this particular blog was deemed by admin to be inappropriate not because of the opinion of the writer but because of the inflammatory content.
“spot on again”!!!
I am curious why this needs to be discussed at all. Some suggest it but what will the person in question gain? What will each of you gain? Many are suggesting it should be discussed here. Why?
It’s kinda obvious that it can’t be because look at the replies. People who don’t even know the issue are arguing. I’m not defending anyone and certainly don’t agree with “censorship” but if he broke the rules then Rob or an admin dealt with it. There are lots of people that seem to look for drama in some form. Everyone don’t get caught and therefore get away with as bad or even worse that what supposing he/she did. I have heard of some who get on here drunk and rail others and they slip through. It’s a chat site. Yes we paid our fees but does that give us the right to break the rules? It’s very simple…behave lol!! If I break the rules that are plainly stated then I have to expect to be dealt with. I suggest the subject be dropped and move forward. This is doing nothing but pitting member against member. It’s a shame elder adults behave in this manner. Again, I don’t know both sides nor will it benefit me to know. I just think matters like this should be dealt with in private and not air it in a public forum. Whoever the subject is about I can’t help but wonder what this person or persons think right now. Some of you call yourself “friends”. I seriously would rethink my definition of the word. I would just suggest that people bring value and encouragement to the public areas and take care of personal matters elsewhere. Just my opinion. “J”
Doesn’t look like this is getting us anywhere, tho I think maybe it was nice to vent. I’d just like to suggest that people private message this member and encourage him to stay. He was a valuable, intelligent, contributing member and hopefully will change his mind with enough encouragement. If you don’t know who it is, you can private message me (or maybe mac?) and we will tell you. I think the more support the better. Not many of us know exactly what was said but I know enough about him to realize it would be a shame to lose him. I really hope he changes his mind.
I am still on road trip, but checking in on things. Probably enough has been said on this. Now the good thing is to figure out how we as a group can find solution so that everyone is happy on here. There are difference personalities in here, we take that under consideration. If there needs to be two chat rooms so that like minded people can find their friends and others can gather with theirs maybe it will reduce conflict. When we have dug a hole, the best thing is to stop digging. Question is: What can we do as a group to fix this? I offered one solution, what are others? Love you all….
Can we all please move on from this,and let Rob and his admin and monitors do their job.
I would like to ask one question regarding this member.
Was he given a warning that if he didnt behave he would be booted from the chat room?
How long has he been banned from the chat room?
I ask this, because all members should be aware of the ‘rules’ of banning.
If he was not given a warning prior to being booted from the room. that is not fair.
If he has been banned from the chat room forever. that is not fair either.
Please explain.
Well I am just happy I woke up breathing this morning
lol, gj
Hahahahahaha….dont make me pee myself yah old boofhead you!!!! I am glad I did too! I think….LOL…
hahahaha gran xoxox
As a ‘newbie’, can I just say, that after reading all of this throughout the day, My debit card is firmly back in my purse.
It seems, a certained person, firstly inflames the situation and then demands calm! I am not sure I want to spend money, to be further irritated by them.
I would like to thank all of the lovely people I met during my time here, I will miss you but I have enough problems in ‘real life’ without coming online to unwind and being faced by this sort of thing.
All the very best to ‘most’ of you
Shay xxxxxxxxxxxx
Thank you for your honest feedback, Shayna. I think this says it all.
well said shayna
Agree…
Oh shayna I know how you feel but please don’t leave. I get so frustrated when I read these blogs – I haven’t been in chat much over the past few months but when I read things like this I just want to tell everyone “To Grow Up”. There will always be those who want to take over situations or play the “power game” – just ignore them – those who don’t like what they are saying – all go to another room – you don’t have to respond by saying anything, just leave that room and go to another one, that person will get the message. It is best to ignore than to encourage or inflame the situation. I find it very difficult to understand why “Seniors” want to act in this way – let’s be nice to each other and enjoy each other’s company – because hey we wont be alive forever – getting older by the minute. All of this is my opinion. Have a great day everyone xoxox
Such a shame shayna to lose a nice person like you. Thank you for your honesty. Wishing you all the best xxx
and then folks ask why i dont go into the chat rooms anymore..my goodness is anyone surprised!!!! 🙂 😀
Pollie, and anyone else, I have not witnessed any nastyness in the chat room. It has always been fun. I guess on the very remote occations when something happens, it explodes like a volcano. Please dont be frightened away. 🙂
Yes Pollie is fine in there lolO Even gentle old me survives . Hehehe
In life there are consequences for everything we do, good, bad and somewhere in the middle..we are governed by laws, if we break them there will be a price to pay…now the Terms of Service on here are quite simple and are not restrictive in my view or do they spoil anyone really enjoying there time here. Yes we pay to be members here, but as far I am concerned I have paid not to be bothered by spam, sleaze bags and to have Monitors and Admin keeping the ‘baddies out’.
Now I will own that I can sometime get quite close to being more than cheeky with my comebacks and they could indeed be offensive to some people, I accept and respect that. I do tend to ‘know the audience’ and if someone new comes in I stop straight away, I see others do exactly the same thing…so if someone is in the room and doesn’t like my ‘warped sense of humour’ just whisper me, I will not get defensive, I will simply accept that I could be spoiling your time in chat…as that is the last thing I want to do.
We need to focus on the good in SC and stop just focusing on the negative, as you will get that anywhere online.
As Pollie has said I’ve not witnessed anything remotely close to nastiness in the Chat room either.
But there will always be the odd one or two that might like to ‘stir’, they hunger for the attention..my solution to this is to not feed the hungry ones…starve them into silence.
Is not fun here anymore.Think i’m going to hang out with my grandkids for awhile,they get along better.